Respected Rajyogi Brij Mohan Bhaisahab\u2019s last spoken interview with Sister Judy, shared just a few days before he ascended to the subtle world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
This conversation, which took place at Om Shanti Retreat Centre from 25 to 27 September 2025, has been transcribed for the benefit of the Brahmin family. It carries his deep wisdom, insights, and blessings for all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
On September 25, 26, and 27, 2025, according to drama I had a chance to spend three days with Brother Brij Mohan in Om Shanti Retreat Centre, where he had been for some months. I sent word in advance that I had set aside these days just to be with him. We have done many projects together \u2013 the International Charter, the Dadi Janki stamp, a film on Postures of the Heart — and over the years we have become friends. My intention was to have yoga with him, but on the first day, after we exchanged long drishti, he asked me to speak, and then he signaled to his nurses to help him speak. This was no small effort, as he had a tracheotomy, and the lungs and throat had weakened. But his desire to share with the family was so strong that he summoned enormous courage and resolve to speak. I had three opportunities each day to be with him. In between, he had to rest. Sometimes he wasn\u2019t able to speak, so we just had yoga together. His great wish is that I would share with the family what he shared with me. The transcript below is my best effort to do that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u25fc BK Judy, USA<\/p>\n\n\n\n
First, we exchanged long drishti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Brother Brij Mohan (BBM): \u201cWhen I knew you were coming, I had happiness. We\u2019ve done so many projects together.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM \u2013 \u201cSilence, peace, God\u2019s love and oneness.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
(His bed faces Dadi Gulzar\u2019s picture.) He nods to the picture. BBM: \u201cShe is my guiding star.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Judy (J): \u201cHow is Dadi Gulzar your guiding star? Do you meet her in the subtle region? Do you invoke her? And are all the Dadis helping us?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYou would have noticed how in many Murlis, Baba has made sets of three such as the royal family, the royal subjects and the subjects. All of these are with three parts. The royal family is different. They rule the royal subjects and the whole thing revolves around eight. The eight souls. You will notice that in the Golden Age, eight is very important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u201cThere are three clear paths. If you look at them, you can find the answer. The three areas are clearly described, and Baba will find ways to serve the whole purpose.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cDadi Gulzar\u2026?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cShe is observing, and she serves. That is her role \u2013 to serve. It revolves around three types of souls: the royal family, the royal subjects and the subjects.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cThis happens because there is an affinity between souls of the same quality?\u201d BBM: nods.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat is the source of affinity to one another \u2013 for example you and Dadi Gulzar?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cBoth the levels of purity and the roles they play. For example, Dadi Janki naturally and automatically is serving those she has supported. They have a level of understanding of those souls.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cI can\u2019t believe that I can\u2019t speak the language of those whose thoughts I value the most.\u201d BBM: \u201cEveryone in the drama. Baba places them, even if it\u2019s where they don\u2019t know the language. We have to be universal. We\u2019re the great, great, great grandchildren \u2013the ancestor souls.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cBaba tells us we go from Brahmin to angel to deity. What about silver aged souls, do they serve as angels?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cNo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cI know it is peace and silence that we have to share, but everyone is so sad. Is there anything besides peace and silence we can do for them?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cOur joined forces (of the yagya) have to come together first. It will take more time and effort for others to feel that force. But our meditation will make it easy for others to come close. The vibrations will bring them. It\u2019s only when we come together to plan that we need to talk.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cSome in the BK family don\u2019t love meditation. They love seva, community, lifestyle. What will make them love meditation?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cIt\u2019s drama. Even if we try, we can\u2019t change them.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat is the highest sadhana?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cThe highest sadhana is the transformation of my sanskars. This happens through tapasya.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
There is no need for an aim in this.\u201d (That is, I don\u2019t need to focus on changing a specific samskara.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u201cHalf the drama is to settle accounts, and the other is to unfold our own role. While doing that, we will clear our old accounts. So, it is absolutely automatic. The best part is that we will be victorious in the end, and this will help the whole world.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cIs it only meditation that will unfold our own roles?\u201d BBM: \u201cAlso, regularity in big and small matters.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cDo you do the practice of tapasya in the same way each time?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: He shakes his head \u201cno\u201d. \u201cI do everything naturally. I don\u2019t bother much, therefore\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cI believe the world drama is natural, so I keep it in mind. The feeler itself is a point of light. The avyakt role starts with that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat practice most helps us to become spiritually powerful?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cOur entire existence is spiritual because we are souls. So, it boils down to how much we remain in spiritual consciousness. Because we are souls, our powers and qualities are emerging from the soul. Just as a professional practices the things that he needs in his profession, so we practice soul consciousness, and the entire programming works on that basis.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cThe theme of the Integrated Retreat this year is \u2018Becoming a Bestower like the Father.\u2019 What are some of the ways \u2013 perhaps lesser known ways — that Baba bestows. For example, Did Baba give me the opportunity to be with you, to serve with you or was it drama that bestowed this?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cThere is a time factor, and everything is built into it. There are two things: (1) time and (2) space. It is a continuous spinning of the drama. All souls go to paramdham because of Baba\u2019s power. If one keeps on spinning the cycle, one is refreshed every day.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cHow will we become bestowers like the Father?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYou will get a natural opportunity. Have attention and regularity that you will become one of the eight. You can see through their actions who will be in the eight. It\u2019s natural. Anything that has to be long lasting has to be easy. Our role exists in the whole time and space spectrum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u201cThe advance party is waiting to start the new system of pure birth. They are all around doing their task automatically.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cI want to ask you about ambition. Sometimes it is good, as in \u2018I want to be one of the eight.\u2019 Sometimes it\u2019s bad, as in \u2018I want this position.\u2019 When does good ambition turn into bad? What should we watch for?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cThere are regular signals. Everything depends on the intention by which I turn right into wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cIs it a mistake to ascribe a low intention to someone \u2013 for example that they are ambitious in the wrong way?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYes, we need to have shubh bhavana and shubh khamenai for all, including for myself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
It\u2019s not what they want, but what I want. I should not be touched by the ambition of someone else. I should be in the driver\u2019s seat.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cIs it that when I have bhavna for everyone, that I am aligning myself with Baba\u2019s presence in the drama?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYes.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cSometimes attraction is a good thing, like a needle being attracted to a magnet. And sometimes it\u2019s a bad thing, leading to attachment and karmic entanglement. What are the early signs of whether my attraction is good or not?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYes. The wrong kind of attraction will lead to so many disturbances, and one has to be careful because it is the whole cycle, not a small period. We go on finishing our old accounts while taking care not to make new accounts. So many disturbances waste our time and cause us to feel irritated. We should not feel irritated or waste our time. We have three chances to finish this.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhen there is a disturbance in the yagya, is it just that we have to use our love, silence and yoga or is there something else we can do?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cWe think, \u2018I can do something to change this,\u2019 but we cannot.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cI want to ask you again about the ones in the world who have so much sorrow. Is it only silence, peace and love of the One that will help them?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
B: \u201cAt this time, the Source is available to everyone. Whether they have gyan or not, they can have an experience of God.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cSome say they cannot experience Baba\u2019s love. What thought or inner stage most often allows us to experience God\u2019s love?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cDo not give up. We have to get everything from Baba. Others give nothing. They only take from us. Baba gives everything to us. He has come for us. Only once does He come to transform the whole world. Then we all withdraw from the world and go up with Baba. We must remember that it\u2019s time to go home. It\u2019s the end time. Find ways to tell this to others.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat is the karmateet stage and what will be our experience of that?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cOur experience will be unlimited, beyond any attachments \u2013 good or bad. I have to be ever ready because everyone thinks that he\u2019ll be here all the time. (J: We can\u2019t imagine a world without us.) The intellect is our greatest enemy because it thinks before acting. It will create doubts at every step and make us waste our time.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat if we have a preeth budhi?\u201d BBM: \u201cThen it is our friend.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWhat is the relationship between the yagya of today and the golden age of tomorrow?\u201d BBM: \u201cThey are the same. The old ones (Dadis and Dadas) are the roots, the ancestors.\u201d)<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cBut now, among the larger yagya \u2026are they still the same?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cAmong those in the yagya now, those who are core to the yagya will be core to the kingdom and others not. We will know by their roles.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cIs it that some play a more incognito role here but a more visible role there?\u201d BBM: \u201cIt will be revealed. Now nothing is incognito.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cAs you lay here and close your eyes, are you serving souls in the same way that the eight are serving?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cYes.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cDo you know who you\u2019re serving?\u201d BBM: \u201cNo, I just serve.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
J: \u201cWe are told that in the final stage, we will be able to see things that are at a distance\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cThat is the stage of all of those serving as angels now.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
BBM: \u201cLife is not a struggle. It is very precious. Only later on, does one understand the value of life. Things happen naturally. Just keep constant watch. Be alert and accurate.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Mere Baba, Pyara Baba, Mitte Baba, Sukriya Baba.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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