Respected Rajyogi Brij Mohan Bhaisahab’s last spoken interview with Sister Judy, shared just a few days before he ascended to the subtle world.
This conversation, which took place at Om Shanti Retreat Centre from 25 to 27 September 2025, has been transcribed for the benefit of the Brahmin family. It carries his deep wisdom, insights, and blessings for all.
On September 25, 26, and 27, 2025, according to drama I had a chance to spend three days with Brother Brij Mohan in Om Shanti Retreat Centre, where he had been for some months. I sent word in advance that I had set aside these days just to be with him. We have done many projects together – the International Charter, the Dadi Janki stamp, a film on Postures of the Heart — and over the years we have become friends. My intention was to have yoga with him, but on the first day, after we exchanged long drishti, he asked me to speak, and then he signaled to his nurses to help him speak. This was no small effort, as he had a tracheotomy, and the lungs and throat had weakened. But his desire to share with the family was so strong that he summoned enormous courage and resolve to speak. I had three opportunities each day to be with him. In between, he had to rest. Sometimes he wasn’t able to speak, so we just had yoga together. His great wish is that I would share with the family what he shared with me. The transcript below is my best effort to do that.
◼ BK Judy, USA
First, we exchanged long drishti.
Brother Brij Mohan (BBM): “When I knew you were coming, I had happiness. We’ve done so many projects together.”
BBM – “Silence, peace, God’s love and oneness.”
(His bed faces Dadi Gulzar’s picture.) He nods to the picture. BBM: “She is my guiding star.”
Judy (J): “How is Dadi Gulzar your guiding star? Do you meet her in the subtle region? Do you invoke her? And are all the Dadis helping us?”
BBM: “You would have noticed how in many Murlis, Baba has made sets of three such as the royal family, the royal subjects and the subjects. All of these are with three parts. The royal family is different. They rule the royal subjects and the whole thing revolves around eight. The eight souls. You will notice that in the Golden Age, eight is very important.
“There are three clear paths. If you look at them, you can find the answer. The three areas are clearly described, and Baba will find ways to serve the whole purpose.”
J: “Dadi Gulzar…?”
BBM: “She is observing, and she serves. That is her role – to serve. It revolves around three types of souls: the royal family, the royal subjects and the subjects.”
J: “This happens because there is an affinity between souls of the same quality?” BBM: nods.
J: “What is the source of affinity to one another – for example you and Dadi Gulzar?”
BBM: “Both the levels of purity and the roles they play. For example, Dadi Janki naturally and automatically is serving those she has supported. They have a level of understanding of those souls.”
J: “I can’t believe that I can’t speak the language of those whose thoughts I value the most.” BBM: “Everyone in the drama. Baba places them, even if it’s where they don’t know the language. We have to be universal. We’re the great, great, great grandchildren –the ancestor souls.”
J: “Baba tells us we go from Brahmin to angel to deity. What about silver aged souls, do they serve as angels?”
BBM: “No.
J: “I know it is peace and silence that we have to share, but everyone is so sad. Is there anything besides peace and silence we can do for them?”
BBM: “Our joined forces (of the yagya) have to come together first. It will take more time and effort for others to feel that force. But our meditation will make it easy for others to come close. The vibrations will bring them. It’s only when we come together to plan that we need to talk.”
J: “Some in the BK family don’t love meditation. They love seva, community, lifestyle. What will make them love meditation?”
BBM: “It’s drama. Even if we try, we can’t change them.”
J: “What is the highest sadhana?”
BBM: “The highest sadhana is the transformation of my sanskars. This happens through tapasya.
There is no need for an aim in this.” (That is, I don’t need to focus on changing a specific samskara.)
“Half the drama is to settle accounts, and the other is to unfold our own role. While doing that, we will clear our old accounts. So, it is absolutely automatic. The best part is that we will be victorious in the end, and this will help the whole world.”
J: “Is it only meditation that will unfold our own roles?” BBM: “Also, regularity in big and small matters.”
J: “Do you do the practice of tapasya in the same way each time?”
BBM: He shakes his head “no”. “I do everything naturally. I don’t bother much, therefore…
BBM: “I believe the world drama is natural, so I keep it in mind. The feeler itself is a point of light. The avyakt role starts with that.”
J: “What practice most helps us to become spiritually powerful?”
BBM: “Our entire existence is spiritual because we are souls. So, it boils down to how much we remain in spiritual consciousness. Because we are souls, our powers and qualities are emerging from the soul. Just as a professional practices the things that he needs in his profession, so we practice soul consciousness, and the entire programming works on that basis.”
J: “The theme of the Integrated Retreat this year is ‘Becoming a Bestower like the Father.’ What are some of the ways – perhaps lesser known ways — that Baba bestows. For example, Did Baba give me the opportunity to be with you, to serve with you or was it drama that bestowed this?”
BBM: “There is a time factor, and everything is built into it. There are two things: (1) time and (2) space. It is a continuous spinning of the drama. All souls go to paramdham because of Baba’s power. If one keeps on spinning the cycle, one is refreshed every day.”
J: “How will we become bestowers like the Father?”
BBM: “You will get a natural opportunity. Have attention and regularity that you will become one of the eight. You can see through their actions who will be in the eight. It’s natural. Anything that has to be long lasting has to be easy. Our role exists in the whole time and space spectrum.
“The advance party is waiting to start the new system of pure birth. They are all around doing their task automatically.”
J: “I want to ask you about ambition. Sometimes it is good, as in ‘I want to be one of the eight.’ Sometimes it’s bad, as in ‘I want this position.’ When does good ambition turn into bad? What should we watch for?”
BBM: “There are regular signals. Everything depends on the intention by which I turn right into wrong.”
J: “Is it a mistake to ascribe a low intention to someone – for example that they are ambitious in the wrong way?”
BBM: “Yes, we need to have shubh bhavana and shubh khamenai for all, including for myself.
It’s not what they want, but what I want. I should not be touched by the ambition of someone else. I should be in the driver’s seat.”
J: “Is it that when I have bhavna for everyone, that I am aligning myself with Baba’s presence in the drama?”
BBM: “Yes.”
J: “Sometimes attraction is a good thing, like a needle being attracted to a magnet. And sometimes it’s a bad thing, leading to attachment and karmic entanglement. What are the early signs of whether my attraction is good or not?”
BBM: “Yes. The wrong kind of attraction will lead to so many disturbances, and one has to be careful because it is the whole cycle, not a small period. We go on finishing our old accounts while taking care not to make new accounts. So many disturbances waste our time and cause us to feel irritated. We should not feel irritated or waste our time. We have three chances to finish this.”
J: “When there is a disturbance in the yagya, is it just that we have to use our love, silence and yoga or is there something else we can do?”
BBM: “We think, ‘I can do something to change this,’ but we cannot.”
J: “I want to ask you again about the ones in the world who have so much sorrow. Is it only silence, peace and love of the One that will help them?”
B: “At this time, the Source is available to everyone. Whether they have gyan or not, they can have an experience of God.”
J: “Some say they cannot experience Baba’s love. What thought or inner stage most often allows us to experience God’s love?”
BBM: “Do not give up. We have to get everything from Baba. Others give nothing. They only take from us. Baba gives everything to us. He has come for us. Only once does He come to transform the whole world. Then we all withdraw from the world and go up with Baba. We must remember that it’s time to go home. It’s the end time. Find ways to tell this to others.”
J: “What is the karmateet stage and what will be our experience of that?”
BBM: “Our experience will be unlimited, beyond any attachments – good or bad. I have to be ever ready because everyone thinks that he’ll be here all the time. (J: We can’t imagine a world without us.) The intellect is our greatest enemy because it thinks before acting. It will create doubts at every step and make us waste our time.”
J: “What if we have a preeth budhi?” BBM: “Then it is our friend.”
J: “What is the relationship between the yagya of today and the golden age of tomorrow?” BBM: “They are the same. The old ones (Dadis and Dadas) are the roots, the ancestors.”)
J: “But now, among the larger yagya …are they still the same?”
BBM: “Among those in the yagya now, those who are core to the yagya will be core to the kingdom and others not. We will know by their roles.”
J: “Is it that some play a more incognito role here but a more visible role there?” BBM: “It will be revealed. Now nothing is incognito.”
J: “As you lay here and close your eyes, are you serving souls in the same way that the eight are serving?”
BBM: “Yes.”
J: “Do you know who you’re serving?” BBM: “No, I just serve.”
J: “We are told that in the final stage, we will be able to see things that are at a distance…”
BBM: “That is the stage of all of those serving as angels now.”
BBM: “Life is not a struggle. It is very precious. Only later on, does one understand the value of life. Things happen naturally. Just keep constant watch. Be alert and accurate.”
Mere Baba, Pyara Baba, Mitte Baba, Sukriya Baba.
